With an animal being killed every nine seconds, animal advocates are justifiably concerned. Wobbies was created to let animal shelters know of lawbreakers in their communities breeding and selling pets without licensing. Wobbies must have hit a nerve when publishing the locations of these criminals.
"I hate to tell you, that your efforts to stop byb's are not going to help if your illegally posting their info, You do know that's Against the law! and if you do it your taking responsibility if that person decides to sue you? you know this right!"
"byb is not illegal or abuse What you are advocating it abuse of humans and potentially will cause the death of many animals."
"you do realize its not the law in every state! and the laws don't stop them! it's based on a number of litters per year just like if you sell cars if you sell 5 or more in a single years your a broker but if someone has one or two litters here and their they are not conceited breeders or even byb's. And that maybe BYB by license to sell to pet shops not a reputable breeder."
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"What about the FAKE shelter's and FAKE Rescues , that are really brokers and puppy mills! are you putting a stop to them? .. Since I know of a few reputable breeders ( Myself Included ) have come across to many fakes and caution families when adopting..."
These were only a few of the misguided and angry attacks that were posted on Wobbies page yesterday before the angry gang of backyard breeders had the page removed.
Sadly and sickeningly, these people are the reason hundreds of thousands of companion pets are beingslaughtered and gassed in many American shelters today.
One particularly sad individual posted his stud service for labradors to try and build his business on the bloodshed of companion animals page, Wobbies: War on Backyard Breeders.
Our country is mired in an epidemic and it will not go away. We must continue our fight to see that these backyard breeders are fined for un-licensed pet sales.
Please comment and share this post. This fight has only just begun.
New Wobbies Facebook group is up and running: Wobbies declares war on backyard breeders
Is someone backyard breeding in your neighborhood? Are they licensing the puppies or cats before selling? By reporting these lawbreakers, we can lower the numbers of animals being killed in the nation's shelters.
Here's the concept:
Anonymously report offender to your local animal control or police department.
Post the case number on Wobbies Facebook page along with contact info for the ACC or police department.
Wobbies members will then call or email the local ACC or police department to make sure these offenders are properly fined and the animals licensed.
Wobbies is also for animal abuse. If you suspect an animal is being mistreated, please contact your local ACC and/or police department and post the case number on Wobbies Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wobbies-declares-war-on-backyard-breeders/598881130173362
I look forward to this page as well. I did not report your page and I contributed quite a bit. I am with you, I as a breeder want to see irresponsible producers (people who breed for money only, with no regard to health, temperment, and conditions of the dogs who sell to anyone with the money regardless if they are qualified to own the dog or breed in question) and irresponsible owners held accountable. However, I am dismayed that you have to post a skewed view that it was full of hate. It was not, I was happy to see a civil back and forth discussion about a mission we both want to see..
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ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing, this is also the same professional manner that I too conduct with my breeding programs as a Breeder/Owner/Handler and I agree with your statement
Deletethye point none of you seem to get is that a lot of the dogs euthanized daily are pure bred dogs...from backyard breeders,..and registered breeders, every litter YOU create results in the deaths of other dogs why do you not understand this!!! none of the breeders ever come to the pounds and get their dogs once they are dumped...but you keep breeding more!! that's the whole problem and until you understand that you are contributing to the deaths of these poor animals pages like "I hate back yard breeders" or whatever they are called will keep posting about you!!
DeleteCindy removed this exact posting from the FB page and the other blog entry, so assumedly she wants it here, bc assuredly she wouldn't want to hide the truth...
Deletehttp://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/27732362/
Yesterday a this sweet girl was turned into a shelter in OH. Last night she slept in a warm bed at a foster home! Today she will begin her search for her forever home.
She is likely from a KNOWN producer in my breed as others were turned in, in similar fashion. Those in out breed community (the reputable ones) stood up for this girl. She has nothing to do with her breeding, they made zero money on her. They want this producer to be stopped as well.
This is what responsible breeders do, we take responsibility for our breed even if we did not breed it. The producer will not take back, nor care what happens to her.
THAT is the difference. But we have proven it time and again. Even though this page says backyard breeders, you lump us all together.
We tell you we fight the same fight which is why we came to your page, but you would rather be nasty and spend your energy fighting us, when we could unite and tackle the real issues.
Well we see you really do not want to see this to move forward and many of us have found Animal Rights persons who are intelligent enough to see the difference and recognize they can move forward with as much support as possible.
This is what we as breeders have begun to do to confront producers as we are sick and tired of being lumped in with them. We will not sit quietly by no more:
ReplyDeletehttp://kaijekennels.com/buying-a-purebred-dog
and questions every breeder should be asked. If they can't answer it, they are not responsible:
http://kaijekennels.com/question-every-breeder-should-be-asked
Cindy by deleting part of the comments that you shared here, shows you really don't want people to read them, but only the parts you think will help you! what are you scared of? the truth!
ReplyDeleteOnce again there was no gang attacking Cindy or her program to save Pit Bulls , she was removed because of her own illegal actions that she should be taking full responsibility for, since legally she is responsible for them by posting names and addresses, of people who she assumed where BYB's with no facts and only hearsay, it is against the law to do share that info with or without facts period. she even call someone a BYB and wanted others to report a lady that turned out to be a pet sitting service, she should of conducted her self professionally and privately investigated before anything was done! then if after investigation prove something is wrong then reported it!.. Adoption is fantastic and giving a needy animal a home is a wonderful choice, and all reputable breeders agree, since reputable breeders are the ones who started breed rescues and still run then today! but we do have a problem their is a large number of puppy mills/ pet shops and byb's and brokers who are now using the name shelter or rescue to sell off their animals, and yes ( SELL ) but you might never know this cause you think a name like shelter means its from a rescue, puppy mills can lie and tell you sad stories about an animal just to get you to pull out you wallets. like I said in my comment that was altered by Cindy I said I caution family to adopt from only reputable shelters! and reputable rescues .. See you deleted that part of the post before you shared it here!! I hope this doesn't mean your Hiding anything?
ReplyDeleteI find it very interesting that you didn't include any of the rational, logical comments that were posted to your page in an attempt to educate the general public of the differences between backyard breeders, puppymills, abusive owners and reputable breeders breeding for health and temperament. Not everybody who breeds is evil or out for profit, and a large part of preventing the epidemic of dogs in shelter is to educate the public.
ReplyDeleteThe majority of the rage-filled posts on the Wobbies page that I saw were actually posted by yourself. There were several calm, rational, mature posts from those only wishing to educate, and you responded to them by calling them morons and idiots, using bad language, and making up statistics that you think support your viewpoints.
Again, your heart is obviously in the right place, but your hateful rhetoric and abusive diatribes only serve to make you look like you are mentally unstable.
Yes I agree Carrie 100%.
DeletePlease direct toward any rational comments which support millions of dogs and cats dying in our shelters.
DeleteI do feel sorry that you have never met or worked with a real breeder to have such hatred. If I had to deal with producers and irresponsible owners at the mass level you do, I think I would be jaded too. Your beautiful breed has been ruined because of them and that is not fair to those dogs. We are trying to prevent that from happening to all breeds. The only way is to educate and hold people accountable.
ReplyDeleteANY reputable breeder would WELCOME a war against bad breeding practices! They are as appalled and dismayed by unethical breeders as you are. A responsible breeder will check the buyer out to make sure they are responsible owners who will be able to properly care for and provide for a pet. A reputable breeder will welcome you in to their homes to meet the Sire and Dam and will allow you to question their breeding methods. They will provide a quality guarantee to the health and temperament of any puppy your purchase from them and offer to refund your money up to a specific time if the puppy is found to be unhealthy or not a good fit for your family. They will NOT overbreed their Dams and will not sell pups to just any fool who shows up with cash. They will ensure their pups are fully vetted prior to going to their new homes and will follow up after to ensure that pup is in a good home. Most also want a First Right of Return that if for any reason in the future the buyer cannot keep the pet, that the breeder gets the first right to take that pup back (even if an adult by now) AND a truly responsible breeder will back this up.
ReplyDeleteAny "breeder" who does not provide at a bare minimum ALL of the items outlined above is just another cash-whore who doesn't truly care for the life of their pets and is just looking to make a buck at the expense of a captive animal.
Spot on!
Deleteexactly
DeleteQuestion: Do reputable breeders spay and neuter the puppies before selling them?
Deletethe reputable breeders I know do or have a legit spay/neuter contract in place. larger breeds should not be fixed before 24 mos, until they have developed fully. dogs that are used for working purposes usually wait also.
DeleteI do not understand why people blame breeders when animals die in shelters? The overwhelming majority of animals in shelters are picked up as strays or turned in by their OWNERS, not the person who bred them. If someone insists on laying the blame somewhere then perhaps the blame should be directed at the people who take their dogs to kill shelters where they may die, the OWNERS.
ReplyDeleteYes because irresponsible owners out-weigh irresponsible breeders.
DeleteThey claim that if "breeders" did not breed those animals that later are breed willy-nillie, then the owners would not have dogs to put in the shelters. When I work at shelters, 98% are mixed.
DeleteI can't tell you how many times I have heard a breeder lament they sold their dog on a no breeding contract which required mandatory spay neuter. The owners disregarded, bred two poor specimans together and found they could make money. A horrible practice and that with the irresponsible owners is who we all need to unite to target.
If the breeder has a no breeding or mandatory spay\neuter contract with the owner, then that becomes a civil issue. The breeder needs to be the one that ensures that contract is fulfilled for every puppy they sell. I agree with you there are responsible, reputable breeders out there. However until the overpopulation problems are put in a check a responsible, reputable breeder would stop breeding more animals. Once the problem is controllable then they would sit down and breed responsibly, as the market demands. Not just because their bitch is in heat...
DeleteGlad to know there will be a new group shortly. sorry to say but when 5-8 million shelter animals are killed. I am not happy with breeders. No hate, just the animals are my number one concern here. They are all dying in the shelters and it has to stop.
ReplyDeleteWe agree 100%. But Breeders are not the issue. Irresponsible producers and irresponsible owners are the issue. Owners need educating and producers just need to be stopped. The only way is to set the bar high, live to that standard and owners don't try to just get a easy deal.. It usually is not much of a deal at all.
DeleteWe are not against shelter dogs btw. We want them to have the best as well. Producers and irresponsible owners are filling the shelters. And then we won't even discuss the importation from other countries to help adopt. I personally have seen plane load of dogs from Japan brought in to "get them off their streets so they are not eaten and we have a higher adoption rate in the US than in Japan."
As said by the coordinators.
We fight your fight but please do not lump us in the same categories as those producers.
But hate groups that lump all breeders together isn't the way to achieve that... Owners are the primary source of abandoned pets. Irresponsible owners who for what ever reason have decided they can't be bothered to care for the pet or who don't know how to handle the pet. And those owners aren't just getting pets from breeders, they're getting them from rescues, shelters and other private re-homes too.
DeleteA better, more productive way to address shelter deaths and reducing the shelter populations, is to address irresponsible ownership through Education and Outreach. Not misguided hate speech and vigilante behavior.
Rescue groups and sympathizers could learn a thing or two from some of the responsible breeders out there. Most have learned that the only way to protect their breeds is to be pro-active and educate: Mentor the new homes, teach them about the dogs and how to handle the new puppy / dog, provide support, guidance and encourage them to take classes. Seeking that un-suitable breeding animals are not bred. And taking responsibility for any animal should these measures fail.
If owners were more knowledgeable about pets and better prepared and equipped when adding a pet to the family, there would be less instance of pet abandonment.
Reach out to community services like trainers, groomers, ect. Seek out a partnership with them, many will offer discounts and incentives, others will gladly volunteer their time. Host training, health and responsible pet ownership seminars. Offer guidance sessions for families seeking to relinquish their pets, to see if maybe they just need help or there are other options for them.
Network with local rental agencies to find out which agencies are pet friendly and their terms and exclusions. When someone comes in and says they can't find a place that allows X breed, they could be given a reference.
There are SO MANY productive things that can be done to combat pet abandonment and needless shelter deaths. But vigilante hate measures is not one of them. And sadly, I too often see rescuers that would rather feel like the "Lone Champion", at the expense of the animals, than work with others to make progress.
But who gives the irresponsible owners animals to breed with? The breeders..I think all of us in rescue would stand behind a breeder who only sells out fixed animals!
DeletePam, its not the responsible breeders giving irresponsible owners to breed with. Its irresponsible breeders. Responsible breeders go well out of their way to PREVENT such breedings. Many breeders DO sell the non-breeding puppies fixed, or have them on binding co-ownership contracts and spend the money on retaining a lawyer to ensure it. They also work very hard to educate people about supporting such breeders, many I know push rescue harder than they do their own breeding programs or peers. Also, some get them from shelters. Not all local shelters vet the animals they take in before placing them back out. Nor do all rescues, sadly. This is something to pursue from all directions to see progress, hate mongering will not do that.
DeleteMakes me sad and angry to see any kind of breeding being defended. When 5 million DIE each year and breeders send out dogs not fixed, this is what happens. I think there is nothing responsible about making more when over 5 million die every single year.
ReplyDeleteAs many health reports show spay/neutering too early is also detrimental to the animal. I require not earlier than 24 months because I have working dogs. They need to be fully mature in body and hormones to properly do their jobs. I also have it in my contract the strict stipulations of what needs to be done if a dog is bred and when to neuter. My contract if broke will hold up in a court of law and they will be sued. Aside from keeping close contact with my owners and mentoring them along the way. As a responsible breeder I also have to be able to say no a dog should not be bred. If in the small percentage that a reputible dog is owner surrendered into a shelter, a responsible breeder if notified will do anything in their power to get the dog back. I do not want my dog's wonderful temperments to be hindered by living in shelter conditions..
DeleteBut that is the difference, I know my dogs and their lines and know what is needed for the ultimate well being. A producer could care less.
The dog I had to get back bc he was mistreated, I also believe the man strives to be a producer. Because a week after I got my dog back he got two more from other breeders. One who felt they were swindled like me. He knew exactly what to say and how to say it. So who is at fault me and the other breeders or this man as an irresponsible owner who wants to be a producer. Again we fight the same fight. Don't hate me because I do the right thing. Focus that passion you have toward producers and irresponsible owners.
You target breeders, but do you go to humane societies and question why people are turning dogs in? If ever hard times fall on me, my dogs come first, I will make do with what I have to as long as my dogs come first.
breeders are the problem whether they are responsible or not.....and my honest opinion is that every puppy/kitten that ANYONE produces THEY should be the ones who go to any shelter and stick that needle in the leg of any dog/cat/kitten or puppy.....for as many you produce that is how many you have to KILL in a shelter....fair is fair in my eye...maybe then breeders will change their minds about them not being the problem
ReplyDeleteHow is this attitude productive against the producers and owners? I have work with shelters. You don't think it is heartbreaking that I only have a week to try to train a dog so it can be adopted and then he gets put to sleep anyway EVEN THOUGH WE MADE PROGRESS!?!?!
DeleteAnd you are forgetting most of the shelter dogs are mixes or very poor quality of a purebred, which means they diod not come from a reputible breeder.
Why lump all together. As Carrie stated above, you don't bomb your garden to rid it of weeds...
I have to agree with this . . .
DeleteI personally believe we should ban breeding. NO ONE should ever MAKE money on another beings life, and I don't care if they were treated decently. Make money the old fashioned way rather than MAKING poor animals have forced sex to make you babies to sell. It's sickening. The point is, if there are no breeder pups for people to waste their money on then those who want a dog would need to get a dog from a rescue. That in itself would save thousands upon thousands of lives - It's common sense, pure and simple. You sell these dogs wanting them to be treated like a family member, like a child, but then you use them as studs. I wouldn't do that to my child. Hypocrisy much?!
ReplyDeletereally?! that is crazy!!!
Deletethe breeders I know do not make money from breeding. they have regular jobs and a ton of money goes into the care of there dogs. they also show their dogs, hunt with them, do agility, do Schutzhund, French Ring, they work on their farms, etc. I for one do not feel like I wasted my money purchasing my pup from a wonderful breeder. it is the breed that I love and they do not end up in shelters as pups very often and even less on the east coast. as adults, I am not allowed to adopt one, per rescues because of the age of my children. even though I have had this breed longer than the shelters and rescues have had a clue as to what the breed is. I do rescue my Pit Bulls, but have to be very vigilant to find again a rescue that will let me with young children.
I am sorry you are ignorant as to how a real breeder operates. I do not nor have I actually made money with a breeder. I put out much more than I ever will recover. And you did not see the refund chart that basically allows someone to get their dog for free. Because the more they do with their dog, the more bonded they become and the more likely the dog will be in a forever home.
ReplyDeleteI have a full time job because breeding would never pay my bills and expenses needed to give my dogs the best enriched environment. I never count ed the money from a breeding as income, not when I put so much more out even if I never sold a pup, I would still do all those things for my dogs. The average well bred litter from a responsible breeder cost in the low ball park about 12,000 after health testing, training, titling and all the other things used to prove these are the best to be bred. I will never see that recouped and I'm ok, then I also refund per the chart.
Please educate yourself and see Producers do it for money, Breeders do not.
That's total baloney and you know it!
DeletePlease provide substantiated data about me that you can prove otherwise, It's very simple. If you want people to fight your fight with you, you have to have proof. I have proof. I also have said over and over again... WE, you and me, fight the same fight. You want to see the end of useless killing of innocent animals put in shelters by people who are either a) irresponsibly producing and/or b) irresponsibly owning. This is correct, right?
DeleteI see you are very passionate and that is great put it in the right area.
I so agree and support you kaije1!!!!
DeleteItsverysimple, baloney? Really? Some food for thought:
DeleteAn example of the costs of producing ONE well bred litter. These expenses are x 2, they are done for both the Mother and Father of the litters. (some examples were referenced from the DPCA artical on the cost of a litter)
TT $30
CGC $30
Ch $1,500 + / - depending on # of shows and whether a handler was used. Not including travel expenses, equipment or handling classes.
CD & classes $200 + / - depending on classes, number of times competing. Not including travel and equipment.
Working titles $1,000 - $15,000 + / - being conservative, this would need to include training, club fees & dues, equipment, off-field training, travel expenses, years of work... And this expense can keep adding up with every advanced title earned. Many working titles are 3-tiered, so investment costs would continue over the life of the dog.
Reproductive Vets: $1,000 - 15,000 + (including mobility tests, ultrasounds, x-rays, emergency treatements, Brucellosis, ect.)
Health Testing: (we'll use Dobermans as an example here)
vWD: $50
Thyroid Panel: $80-100 +/- (repeated)
Heart exams: $60+/- (done annually)
Holter monitering: $60 +/- (done annually)
OFA Hips & Elbows: $130 +/-
CERF: $35 +/- (done annually)
Liver & Kidney panels: $50 +/- (repeated)
That alone quickly adds up to roughly $6,150 PER DOG MINIMUM that a responsible breeders would need to cover before breeding ONE litter, not including stud fee or other logistical costs of the actual breeding AND the initial costs they paid to get well bred foundation dogs for their breeding program. It also doesn't include the cost of registrations, obtaining well-bred stock, importing new stock for genetic health, ect
So $12,300 minimal expenses to produce one litter, not including stud fee and breeding logistical expenses... And that litter could turn out to be a false pregnancy or a singlton pup. Or after all those costs and expenses, the dogs could prove infertile or have health test results making them ineligible to breed. For a well bred Doberman puppy thats $1,800-$2,000 for a puppy, that cost includes all initial vet care for the litters also. So even a good sized litter would be hard pressed to break even on expenses. And Dobermans aren't known for big litters, and singletons aren't uncommon. And many of the dogs will only produce only a few litters, if they ever even have the one...
On top of that, many breeders have a refund policy to encourage people to do activities with their dogs, refunding a portion of the price for each title earned, class taken and health test done. And in the case of those who place non-breeding puppies on co-ownerships, many offer partial refunds once the contract has been fulfilled and the dog has been fixed and proof of altering supplied from the owner's vet (and many have lawyers on retainers should the owner try to break the contract, additional expenses right there).
On top of that, responsible breeders also invest in their ability to contribute to their dogs and their breed by networking, taking classes & seminars, volunteering in rescue, running rescues, mentoring and helping people who don't even own dogs from them, contributing to canine health & genetic research, FUNDING canine genetic & health research, ect.
Now if they were out for profit, that is the WORST business model they could possibly use.
Thanks Chinsim Life! Appreciate your attempts at educating!
Deletewell enough is enough...if you so-called responsible breeders want to be in a league of your own then why dont YOU start your own campaign against your illegal irresponsible counterparts...
ReplyDeleteThey have, its just not a hate campaign. Its an education and outreach sort of thing.
DeleteWhy you have started for us and we fight the same fight.. Rather than fighting each other, we focus on the same cause. And We have been fighting this fight, but unfortunately much more quieter than you. It didn't work for us. New approach, we will not sit idly by while producers and irresponsible breeders ruin it for all of us.
Deletebtw, unfortunately it's not illegal hence the reason we have this issue... :(
It still comes down to where are the irresponsible breeders (producers) getting the dogs to breed in the first place??? there are soooooo many purebreds dying daily in the shelters, german shepherds, boxers, cocker spaniels, chihuahuas, and who knows how many pittbulls are purebred, I knwo I could not tell the difference. I agree in wanting to wait to spay and or neuter your puppy until older, but dear gawd how many unplanned litters are there all over the place???? And this is my favorite one-----the mixed breeds unplanned pregnancies--gee where did they come from? They came from one purebred dog breeding with another dog, purebred or not, half of that dog is now purebred----sooooooooooooo again, where did that one come from????
DeletePOPPYCOCK!...WE ALL DONT FIGHT FOR THE SAME CAUSE BECAUSE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THERE WOULD BE "NO" BREEDING AND MANDATORY SPAY AND NEUTER...ONLY A VERY RIGID AND CONTROLLED BREEDING PROGRAM WOULD BE ALLOWED AND BY A VERY SELECT GROUP OF PEOPLE...AND NOT FOR PROFIT!...OR EVEN SELF INDULGENT REASONS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW OFF AT SHOWS WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN ABUSE RECORD...AND YOU ARE VERY WRONG...YOU ARE ALL THE HIDDEN CAUSE WHY THERE ARE SO MANY IN THE STREETS AND THE SHELTERS...YOU ARE THE ROOT CAUSE...DOMESTIC ANIMALS ARE TO BE FAMILY MEMBERS AND NOT EXPLOITED FOR YOUR PERSONAL PLEASURES...HUNTING OR OTHERWISE...MY BEST ADVICE TO ALL OF YOU IS TO GO GET A JOB!...STOP USING ANIMALS TO PUT FOOD ON YOUR TABLES AND/OR TO GAIN SOME KIND OF TITLE OR AWARD TO SHOW YOURSELVES OFF...THAT IS WHAT IT IS REALLY ALL ABOUT...BIG EGOS...ALL ABOUT YOU!...NEVER THE DOG OR THE CAT YOU PUT THROUGH HELL TO WIN YOUR RIBBONS...THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND THIS STUFF WONT BE TOLERATED...AND WE...THE ANIMAL RIGHTS LIBERATION PEOPLE WILL SEE TO IT...WE ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT IN THE WORLD AND WE ARE GROWING EVERYDAY AND STILL HOLD THAT STATUS...WAKE UP!...STOP MAKING EXCUSES!...YOU ARE ALL A PART OF THE END RESULT OF THE ATROCITIES THAT HAPPEN TO EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL...YOU YOU YOU ARE WHERE IT ALL STARTS FROM...OPEN YOUR MINDS TO THE BIGGER PICTURE BECAUSE I WONT GIVE IGNORANCE THE TIME OF DAY!...
Deleteyou are very ignorant!!
Deleteso, dogs should not do what they were bred to do? my hunting and farm dogs should not hunt and be allowed to work on a farm? they should sit in a house and be unhappy, just because it makes you feel that I love them more. wow!!! I am for dogs doing what they were originated to do! My Filas work, my Dogos hunt, both breeds also sleep in my home, love and protect my kids and family. they spend more time with us by doing these jobs, if not they would be inside while we are out. how is that for ego? your comment makes no sense! by not having dogs do what they were bred to do causes lots of the behavioral issues that cause lots of dogs to be surrendered to shelters. if you and others do not see that, you are the ignorant ones.
yelling at others and trying to treat those who opinions and experiences differ from yours like ignorant children is so not the way to get others to support your cause.
Mableo, what a useless, hate-filled, nonfactual rant!
DeleteThe best way to combat irresponsible breeding is through education. I learned through (20 years of) experience that the best way to prevent a BYB litter from being born is by simply having a calm conversation with a person who is expressing an interest in breeding their dog. If you go at them with forceful negativity such as, "You shouldn't breed your dog!" then they will come back at you with the same forceful negative attitude, "I'll do whatever I want to do!". However, if you approach them with a calm attitude and engage in a conversation about what it takes to breed responsibly, many people will think it over and decide for themselves that breeding just isn't for them and they spay/neuter instead. Trust me, it works far more often than not, at least the way I do it anyway. If a person does choose to follow through and breed anyway then at least they have information about using contracts, screening homes, and requiring spay/neuter. You may not stop that one litter from being born but you can stop future generations from occurring.
ReplyDeleteWow. You are so angry! I saw the discussion on your FB page yesterday and did not find anything horrible from either side. I'd like to know what a "backyard breeder" is. I breed my dogs and I keep them in my back yard, and house, and bed. I can tell you where every puppy I have bred is, whether or not they are reproducing, whether they have ANY health problems in old age, etc. And again, I challenge you to find just ONE dog that I have bred, or even my breed, in a shelter or on Petfinder. There are none. because I am responsible breeder who does health testing and pre-screens my potential puppy buyers. And guess what? I give away more of my pups that I sell, and I lose money breeding. People who want my pups want them for what they are, a primitive dog that has not been turned into the health wrecks that you see today. They want the personality traits and abilities that go with my breed. They don't want a mix that they can walk around with a "I was rescued" bandana on it's neck to feel good about themselves.
ReplyDeleteMy breed is the Portuguese Podengo Media, and I am proud to breed them.
RESCUE DOGS ROCK ..... DON'T BUY WHILE SHELTER ANIMALS DIE !!!!!!!!!!
DeleteRescue is great but be sure your adopting from a reputable shelter, because if not then it;s really buying a dog from a licensed puppy mill that now are allowed to call them selves shelters and rescues ... all because they pay a small fee every year that doesn't add up to the money they pocket by selling these animals. ALL DOGS ROCK! And don't buy from BYB's if your going with a breeder you only go with a reputable breeder Period. Common sense!
DeleteThe term BYB is misleading because there are MANY reputable breeders that maintain quality kennels in the backyard wether they have a cuty half acre or over an acre of land and that, in my opinion, is the best for the animals. They are in a real world environment, socializing with adult dogs and other pups, possibly other animals and get to know first hand what the environment they hopefully will be going into will be like. A BYB is specifically someone who does not have a breeders license, does not keep health records or include a health guarentee, some may not have a contract at all and breed their bitches to exhaustion until they are so worn out they can't produce any more. They breed for fad or apperances with complete disreguard to health, soundness and temperment of the sire and dam, are unwilling to accept a defective pup back and/or isue a refund on their subpar offspring. Here in cali "pit bull" kennels turning out mixed dogs for height, head, legs or because their brother/cousin/buddy has a male and can use some extra cash. They are as different from reputable breeders as an elephant from a lion
DeleteBlack Sheep, thank you for an excellent post. You are my type of breeder!
DeleteYour publication of my personal pictures is a violation of my copyright. Please remove them at once. Your vendetta against normal people is going too far.
ReplyDeleteI have issued this warning in fairness. Cease harassing me.
That's beyond fairness because you can go a file without even warning her, she wouldn't know until she got served the papers for court where you can now we're you can now file for punitive damages. Defamation / Slander and if only taking to small claims in most states up to $5,000.
Deletebut you have to check on your state where you file cause it might be different there.
Thank you for pointing that out...she really isn't worth my attorney's time actually...she is a small person with a small mind...and like draws like. She has no idea what a reputable responsible breeder is because she does not associate with that type of person. I am not a breeder, but were I, she would not be able to pass my qualification test in order to obtain any type of animal from me. Beware of those who go by many names and under many banners, asking much, giving nothing. Always check yourself before writing that check or checking that box...just friendly advice.
DeleteHaving witnessed this blogger's rants elsewhere Diane I do not think she understands politeness nor fairness. This type of rescue that is always scrounging for money and is never transparent about what happens to the money raised needs investigating by the authorities.
ReplyDeleteAs a loving owner of two rescued APBT mixes and a rescued Parsons Russel Terrier as well as being related to many people who are/were BYBs I have seen first hand the damage done to animals ranging from sickly animals out of "reputable" kennels that one look at the pup you can tell the parents never should have been bred. I have seen that there is no one doorstep for all blame to be laid at. Irresponsible producers are the beginning of the cycle, turning out a flow of subpar animals for appearance and $ alone to the next step in the cycle: owners who do not wish to research properly before purchasing a pup for their toddler to toss around like a stuffie, that do not want to be "restricted" by a reputable breeder's contract should they decide to get in on the cash cow once the offspring is able to produce and do not want to pay a reputable breeders fair price based off considerations such as the bitch's care, the litter's pre-purchase health check and registration and what cost of stud was in the firat place if they imported stock from another reputable breeder. So many owners purchase for a look, they want a put that looks ripped and pissed off, they want a GSD or Rotty rhat looks like it could chew up tires and tear into intruders but they dont want to devote the time or cost to properly house, train, socialize, vet and feed their newest "property". A poorly socialized dog will quickly become a liability and if it is large it has no shot in staying i it's home. A (rare) no-kill shelter I used to volunteer at had an adult male that had already been returned twice and had a potential owner back out last minuet because the first owner's wife decided she didnt like dogs and didn't want to rehome him herself (after two years of growing up in their home), the second owner didn't realize that a pit/bulldog mix would require exercise or socialization after a year in a shelter and if those needs were not met would become destructive toward the furnature. They never found out why the potential third owner backed out but two years later the (now 6-7 year old) dog is still awaiting his forever home despite his loving nature and sunny disposition. Then, next in the cycle, are the shelters/rescues, some of which have been uncovered to be secretly hoarding situations or covert puppy mills where the animals ae ill and living in filth churning out litters like confetti.
ReplyDeleteIf angry citizens and angry reputable breeders and angry rescues band together to DEMAND change then change will happen, more strict laws will be in place as pertains to the breeding and sale of litters that can and will help with the overpopulation of ill and otherwise subpar population of fad breeds and ill pups. Reputable breeders can guarentee the soundness and temperment of their sales and when well bred, well trained, well socialized and well cared for dogs are in family homes horror stories will stop being commonplace in the sensationalized media feeding into BSL and breed-fear.
Stopping reputable breeders from producing high-quality offspring will not stop the BYBs from producing their mangy money-makers but it will cause breeds to go extinct only to be replaced by less hardy, more sickly dogs thst will still be put to sleep because family A doesn't have the time to care for a deaf or blind retriever and family B doesnt want a dog that will cost them money on hip or knee replacement. Reputable breeders are just as necesary as proficent trainers, excellent owners, trustworthy breeders and heartfully dedicated rescues. As a unit or a web animals rely on us to work together, not tear each other down.
breeders overbreed...some females never get out of a cage...puppies live in horrible conditions and are exposed to all kinds of weather...breeders seem tp also think they have a vets license...
ReplyDeleteI have seen many Beagle farms...which by the way...some breed strictly for laboratories...and is probably where most of the other breeders unwanteds go...ask the ALF...they will tell ya what they think...got a female?...want puppies?...that you are going to keep and raise no matter how they turn out for your farm to herd the sheep or (ugh!) hunt!...fine...no need to buy them then and if you cant do that go save a Beagle from the pound...you cant get out of the related atrocities associated with ALL breeders adding to the population!...for every one that you bring in the world to sell...another is sitting in a cell waiting to die!...we will prevail!...it will become harder to breed than to go get a job!...
Obviously you are talking about puppy mills..no reputable breeder would ever condone this type of situation...before taking a stand, perhaps a little research would be a fine thing. Your rhetoric sounds much like what was heard during WWII.
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ReplyDeleteWhere did the dog/chain photo originate?
ReplyDeleteNo kidding! What's up with the dog in the photo?
DeleteThis is THE MOST RETARDED bunch of ignorance I have ever seen and I cannot believe I wasted 10 minutes reading it- Blegh :(
I agree - Blegh :(
ReplyDeleteApparently the "blogger" is desperate for those coins as she has once again posted a link to this 2013 piece of nonsense...again, just in case someone new comes here, those are my pictures, posted without my permission of my personal furkids....I am not now nor have I ever been a breeder. The only reason the picture was used with the paragraph post (without my permission) was to annoy me...the way a buzzing mosquito annoys me....be sure to always check out rescues that collect money for many animals...check the background...check the number of fundraisers and the "reasons"....social media is a wonderful thing, so is rescue...it is a shame that both have fallen prey to "the con"
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